This interview with Carrie Wren is part of my 2021 Autumn Adventure Tour‘s Entrepreneur Interview Series. This trip promotes small businesses along the East Coast, shares interviews with my past and current clients, and highlights my upcoming business mastermind.

Transcript:

SPEAKERS

Carrie Wren, Megan Taylor Morrison

Megan Taylor Morrison  

Hey everyone. I am here in Charlotte, North Carolina, about to chat with Carrie Wren, a lovely client and amazing human who’s doing fantastic work in the world. And I’m going to get out of the chair so she can get into the chair and lavish all of her wisdom upon you. 

Carrie, why do you look so hot tonight?

Carrie Wren  

Because I’m going on a date with you. 

Megan Taylor Morrison

Where are we going? 

Carrie Wren

We are going to Bardo. It’s a very chefy kind of restaurant situation. There’s going to be a tasting menu, an optional wine pairing slash cocktail situation. It’s so good.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

Ambassador for local small businesses in Charlotte, Carrie Wren. You have so many cool different parts of your business. Tell us a little bit about what you do.

Carrie Wren  

Oh my gosh. Well, I just finished teaching a yoga class in the other room on Zoom. 

Megan Taylor Morrison

Yeah. This transformation happened in like less than 15 minutes.

Carrie Wren

Lickety split. Let’s see. I teach yoga. I lead yoga and adventure retreats with my business partner at Explore & Expand Retreats. I am a life and relationships coach. I have also been dabbling in Thai massage for 12 years. It’s fun. It’s like a whole buffet of fun ways to spend my time.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

Yeah. It’s like a delicious, centered, wisdom-filled buffet that you offer. It’s delicious. What inspires you to do what you do. What’s the driving force behind it?

Carrie Wren  

I could ruminate on that for a little bit. The thing that is common in all of them, like the common thread, is connection and people and different ways of being in the world in a present, joyful, whole kind of way. Being present in the world through our bodies. Being present in the world in our relationships, and connecting them in a way that is joyfully centered for our lives. That’s the thing that weaves it all together.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

A lot of people are lucky to have one business that works. You happen to have multiple businesses that work. Tell all the eager entrepreneurs out there what makes it work. What is the Carrie recipe for a successful business?

Carrie Wren  

Well, relationships. It’s relationships with my students and my clients. Relationships that my retreat partner and I build with people in other parts of the world. My relationship with myself. My relationships with my business partners. That’s the linchpin of the thing that holds it all together, and from which all of the fun and success happens.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

What is the flavor of those relationships? What are the components that make them work?

Carrie Wren  

Mutual respect. Play. My clients are people that I enjoy spending time with. There’s humor, there’s depth. 

Megan Taylor Morrison  

I loved what you said. That my clients are my friends. It does feel like everything that you do, whether it’s a business partnership or with clients, or you know, even teaching that yoga class, I heard you laughing with people after it was over. You bring people in who you genuinely like and that’s part of what makes it work.

Carrie Wren  

That’s it. Yeah. I get to be genuinely myself. I’ve had other careers and I wasn’t for whatever reasons, maybe didn’t know how at that time, wasn’t as fully myself, fully expressed. But now that I’ve transitioned out from some of those other roles into yoga and into coaching people, I am able to show up and be the best version of myself. And I happen to be able to get paid when I do that. It’s great.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

Sounds great. It’s funny that we started talking about relationships because it’s one thing that I thought about for our interview because just like you have many businesses that work, you also have many business partnerships that work. If someone was looking at starting a business partnership, how would you advise them to move forward?

Carrie Wren  

Hmm, okay. For me the partnerships that have worked have been with people with whom over the years there is a honed sense of trust, respect, reciprocity, love, and care. Trust keeps wanting to come out of my mouth over and over again. 

Megan Taylor Morrison  

Are these people that you’ve known long before you started working with them? 

Carrie Wren  

Yeah, got it. Kelly, my retreat partner for example. We go back a long time as friends. Then she and her late husband became yoga students for a long time, and they both attended retreats with me. She’s a sister kind of person to me. And so creating what we’ve created with Explore & Expand is like, the travels that she and I just take with each other because we like each other and we like to go to different places in the world with each other. We get to do that inside of a business structure and in a way that our existing and soon to be friends come with us. It’s great.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

All relationships have conflict. What are your best practices for managing conflict in business partnerships?

Carrie Wren  

Talk to my coach. Send you a quick tip. Assuming responsibility in the relationship. In any relationship. We just happen to be talking about business partnerships and relationships. Assuming responsibility for what’s mine. Yeah, getting coached so that I can specifically get outside of my own shit. And not then be like, trying to have the other person rolling in it.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

I’m only laughing because I know how that can be. Oh, yes. It’s so easy to get caught up in our own story and our own righteousness and that is just toxic for business relationships.

Carrie Wren  

I am great at righteousness. It’s a strength of mine, but like, not really, because it’s not a good look. So yeah, it’s stepping outside of that. Like, “Oh yeah, I can sort myself out.”

Megan Taylor Morrison  

You’ve done such a beautiful job building community here in Charlotte. You know, you have your yoga studios that you’ve worked with, and you’ve done yoga teacher trainings in the past and then those people also come with you on retreats, and then they get coached. community, community building does seem core to your business. So again, if someone was interested in building a business that’s based on community, where do they start?

Carrie Wren  

I mean, I really hate to sound like a broken record. But it’s it’s relationships and those relationships, as you kind of described have been in place and evolved over in a lot of cases. A lot of years. Yeah, and so there’s consistency and and yeah, that’s it like being being in relationship with people that you want to be in relationship with. And not feeling like you have to build relationships with everybody, or not falling into the trap of thinking that you need everybody to like you to be successful or to have a community that feels really great. Yeah, it’s it’s a really tempting trap. And it’s also it doesn’t work.

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Megan Taylor Morrison  

Yeah, consistency, I think that’s huge, because you can’t just community is built upon consistency. And I also really love what you said around you don’t need everybody to like you. Because that’s when you’re seeing the same people again, and again, and again, like you do when you live in a town and you teach at a studio, there are going to be people that don’t like you. How do you deal with that? Oh, I don’t like it.

Carrie Wren  

That’s very uncomfortable. And it’s like, it’s actually super helpful for refining. Who are my people. Because I am not everybody’s cup of tea. Unfortunately, everyone’s not my cup of tea, like we’re not. We’re just not meant to, like have to jive with every single body. And that’s something that I have learned and had reinforced and working with you like, okay, like, you don’t have to be you don’t have to, like everybody, it doesn’t make me a bad person doesn’t make somebody else a bad person, if, if I’m not the one for them. It’s okay, like it may, you know, sting a little or be a little ego dent. But it’s, it’s really better that way there’s going to be for instance, if we were to be taking a small group retreat to another continent, and there’s a person on that retreat that is, does not enjoy my company or my business partners company, that’s not gonna be a good situation for anybody. It’s not really fun for me, it’s not gonna be fulfilling or satisfying for that participant is probably gonna feel weird for the rest of the group. So it’s actually like, really helpful to like, have acceptance around that and like, celebrate it.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

What are you most proud of in your business from this past year?

Carrie Wren  

Oh, gosh. Actually the coaching groups that I’ve created and recreated so one of those groups is called relationships that work and it’s for people who desire really fulfilling, satisfying, hot, romantic relationships and aren’t currently experiencing that for any kind of number of reasons. And that’s a small group and just being with having that having that go from like a little zygote of an idea into an actual thing in the world. And hearing participants express the difference that is making for them is a really, I’m proud of that. And also of a group that I co create with another partner case carton. She and I have a group called divinely expressed women’s collective and it’s, this is our third year, I believe, running this group or similar frame work of a group and there’s something that’s really special about Women who come into community together really intentionally. It’s really special is really special. That group just began this week. So it’s kind of like fresh on my heart.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

And how about we go in the other direction? What’s the hardest lesson you’ve had to learn in the past year?

Carrie Wren  

Letting go of things that don’t work. I was actually I was catching, I was taking a walk, and was catching up with a student friend on the phone. And she was asking, like, what’s new in my business? And I was sharing couple couple of things that have shifted. And she was like, Well, that makes sense. Like, things don’t stay the same forever. And I was like, Oh, of course they don’t, of course, they don’t. Because I’ve been having like a lot of feelings about some, just some things that were shifting that were a great fit for a time and may or may not be now or maybe going forward. And but just there was like, such a, like spaciousness for me to breathe and feel like, Oh, of course, like, it doesn’t mean something, it doesn’t mean something’s wrong. When things shift and change, and we move out of different aspects of our business, or lives

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Megan Taylor Morrison  

with that normalizing the dynamism of entrepreneurial experience. Cool. Let’s change gears a little bit. Talk about me.

Carrie Wren  

There’s, there’s nothing else I’d

Megan Taylor Morrison  

rather talk about. I’m gonna talk about myself in a third person for video. It’s gonna get weird before it gets. Um, what’s make like as a coach,

Carrie Wren  

gosh, it’s so fun. So fun. As a coach, Meg is slash you are, like, joy and bodied. And you have a really special way of, of holding that space of lightness and joy. Like, even like when we’ve done shadow kind of work, which is deep work and can be like, kind of messy and tricky and triggering, you’re able to hold that space from from whiteness, and like, be with me in it. What,

Megan Taylor Morrison  

what inspired you to work with Meg?

Carrie Wren  

I went with mag slash shoe on, on a retreat to the Dominican a few years back and just was really attracted to your spirit spiritedness. Your play your curiosity, the fact that you also love travel and adventure and experiencing life. There’s like an exuberance. So when I was feeling ready to shift from the coach that I worked with, for quite a while, I was thinking who do I really want to spend? Deep connect a time with and it was like, Well, I mean, that would be Meg. I don’t know Is she available? Can I afford her like there? You know things but I was like, Well, let me just just gonna send her a message.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

And what, what are you most proud of that you’ve gotten out of our country work together?

Carrie Wren  

Probably, similarly, a sense of lightness and light heartedness and play. Even around my business because some people in the world think of business as being hard or boring, or some kind of other kind of silliness. I mean, maybe not silliness, but and it’s doesn’t have to be like that. So that’s one of the things.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

So you feel like your business you’ve like learned to bring more fun and play to it, or it’s evolved to be more fun and playful and all

Carrie Wren  

those things and like how I relate to my business, which is like the hub of it all, because if I’m not having fun in my business that is going to be transferred to the work that I do, and the people that I do that work with. And, like, on the flip side, when I am fuckin delighted to be doing the work that I’m doing and like, the way that I’m holding my business that gets transferred to the people I work with, and get to be with to.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

So if you were going to say, here’s the type of people that should think about working with Mike privately or think about doing a program with her Who are those people?

Carrie Wren  

If those those people, those people give a fuck about the life that they’re living and their business, if they have one, and wanted to be, like, wanted to be more somehow. So more fun, more, more money making more authentic? I would think this would be the people.

Megan Taylor Morrison  

Yeah. Sounds about right. Any final words on your coaching experience that you want to impart upon our viewers?

Carrie Wren  

Well, so I’ve been working with you, I think, since May of 2020. What’s that? A year and a half, something like that. Yeah. And we were coming upon the completion of the mastermind group, and I was like, I have not finished working with Meg yet. If she’s not finished working with me, yeah, I like there’s, there’s more. There’s more. And so I would say, yeah, just that this has been such a transformative and supportive experience that I want to go another year. So you know, I think people would know I don’t want to speak for all of the people everywhere but your people or people will be really happy that they worked with you.

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